User:FeralKitty/Sandbox/Pinata Vision

Approaches

1. Topical - ties categories/articles together, cards found at topic articles
2. Category - Xenocidic's idea to categorize all the cards

Desirable

• Strike a balance between size of topic/category (so a topic/category doesn't have hundreds of cards to list/show), and depth (so a user doesn't have to drill down too far to find the (type of) card they're looking for).
• Make it easy to find more popular types of cards, e.g., black pinatas, junk items.

Category cloud

Since I have no estimates for the number of cards per species, those categories are shown at the same size.

We show 43 categories now in the Main Page category cloud. How do we handle the ~117 new categories that we're adding?

1. Show some or all new categories in a single cloud, as the Main Page is now. The disadvantage is that the PV categories have many more cards than the game categories, so the game categories would appear small again, similar to how Piñata Vision image currently affects the cloud. If we do this, I'd exclude the species cards, so only the types get added to a unified cloud.
2. Show separate clouds, similar to the example below. The disadvantage is that you can't judge different clouds' categories by their size. E.g., Trouble in Paradise species is the largest category of the first cloud, but has 73% fewer members than the "same-font-size" PV type categories. If we do this, I'd probably still want to exclude the species cards, since I think it's just too much information to cram onto the Main Page, and the types categories seem more significant for navigating.
3. Keep the cloud as it is now, and don't show any new categories. I'm not as keen on that, since the Main Page is so popular, and the cloud is a nice way to fill people in on all these new cards that will be available.

Of the three options, I think the separate clouds serve visitors best. Either they're interested in the PV categories or they're not, so they can focus on whichever category cloud interests them.

Example 1: 3 clouds, with headings

WAAAY too big, and the separate headings just don't look that great in a "single" table, but I'm tossing it out there, anyway.

Category navigation Aquatic  Aquatic plants  Arctic  Arctic plants  Bushes  Cast  Challenge Events  Classic  Classic plants  Classic species  Commonly asked questions  Cryptid  Desert  Desert plants  Domestic  Evolved  Flowers  Flying  Gameplay  Gameplay Tips  Garden Piece  Merchandise  Nocturnal  Party Animals  Pinata Vision images  Plants  Pocket Paradise  Pocket Paradise plants  Pocket Paradise screenshot  Pocket Paradise species  Produce  Sour  Species  Television Series  Tool  Trees  Trouble in Paradise  Trouble in Paradise plants  Trouble in Paradise species  Vegetables  Viva Piñata episodes  Weeds  Xbox 360 Game  Pinata Vision categories by species Arocknid cards  Badgesicle cards  Barkbark cards  Bispotti cards  Bonboon cards  Bunnycomb cards  Buzzenge cards  Buzzlegum cards  Camello cards  Candary cards  Cherrapin cards  Chewnicorn cards  Chippopotamus cards  Choclodocus cards  Chocstrich cards  Cinnamonkey cards  Cluckles cards  Cocoadile cards  Crowla cards  Custacean cards  Doenut cards  Dragonache cards  Dragumfly cards  Eaglair cards  Elephanilla cards  Fizzlybear cards  Flapyak cards  Fourheads cards  Fudgehog cards  Galagoogoo cards  Geckie cards  Goobaa cards  Hoghurt cards  Hootyfruity cards  Horstachio cards  Jameleon cards  Jeli cards  Juicygoose cards  Kittyfloss cards  Lackatoad cards  Lemmoning cards  Lickatoad cards  Limeoceros cards  Macaraccoon cards  Mallowolf cards  Moojoo cards  Moozipan cards  Mothdrop cards  Mousemallow cards  Newtgat cards  Parmadillo cards  Parrybo cards  Peckanmix cards  Pengum cards  Pieena cards  Pigxie cards  Polollybear cards  Ponocky cards  Pretztail cards  Profitamole cards  Pudgeon cards  Quackberry cards  Raisant cards  Rashberry cards  Reddhott cards  Roario cards  Robean cards  S'morepion cards  Salamango cards  Sarsgorilla cards  Shellybean cards  Sherbat cards  Smelba cards  Sparrowmint cards  Squazzil cards  Swanana cards  Sweetle cards  Sweetooth cards  Syrupent cards  Taffly cards  Tartridge cards  Tigermisu cards  Twingersnap cards  Vulchurro cards  Walrusk cards  Whirlm cards  White Flutterscotch cards  Zumbug cards  Pinata Vision categories by type Appear cutscene cards  Black variant cards  Concept art cards  Cutscene cards  Egg cards  Fruit cards  Home cards  Junk cards  Learn trick cards  Other variant cards  Paving cards  Perform trick cards  Plant cards  Produce cards  Prop cards  Romance dance cards  Ruffian cards  Seed cards  Sour cards  Species cards  Sweet cards  Time warp cards  Toy cards  Trick cards  Trick stick cards  Unsupported cards  Variant cards  Vegetable cards  Weather cards

Example 2: 2 clouds

More reasonable size (but still a bit big). One option is to specify parameters to the cloud, which will help cut down on the font size and table height. (Since these examples are currently hand-done, we can wait until the categories are in place and populated, then sandbox extension-generated clouds.)

Category navigation Aquatic  Aquatic plants  Arctic  Arctic plants  Bushes  Cast  Challenge Events  Classic  Classic plants  Classic species  Commonly asked questions  Cryptid  Desert  Desert plants  Domestic  Evolved  Flowers  Flying  Gameplay  Gameplay Tips  Garden Piece  Merchandise  Nocturnal  Party Animals  Pinata Vision images  Plants  Pocket Paradise  Pocket Paradise plants  Pocket Paradise screenshot  Pocket Paradise species  Produce  Sour  Species  Television Series  Tool  Trees  Trouble in Paradise  Trouble in Paradise plants  Trouble in Paradise species  Vegetables  Viva Piñata episodes  Weeds  Xbox 360 Game  Appear cutscene cards  Black variant cards  Concept art cards  Cutscene cards  Egg cards  Fruit cards  Home cards  Junk cards  Learn trick cards  Other variant cards  Paving cards  Perform trick cards  Plant cards  Produce cards  Prop cards  Romance dance cards  Ruffian cards  Seed cards  Sour cards  Species cards  Sweet cards  Time warp cards  Toy cards  Trick cards  Trick stick cards  Unsupported cards  Variant cards  Vegetable cards  Weather cards

Lack of spaces in the image filenames tends to return no (or few) search results from the image namespace.

This is an advantage when not searching for PV cards, as you don't get tons of page title matches from PV card images. E.g., searching for seed would get two page title hits: Seed pouch and Seed cards.

Considering that most visitors aren't registered (and thus have no search preferences to include or exclude namespaces), and probably use the sidebar search box instead of the search page (with its namespace checkboxes), it's frankly not easy to find cards in the first place, via searching. (The main namespace is searched by default, but not the Image namespace.)

However, if you did want to find PV cards (and included the Image namespace), you still won't find any title matches if you searched for apple seed or arctic tigermisu, since these cards are titled AppleSeed... or ArcticTigermisu... .

Frankly, I screwed up with the naming convention, and we probably should have used spaces for the item name, e.g., Image:Apple seed-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg, to make it easier when searching images.

We could switch naming conventions mid-stream, and end up with a mix of filenames, which would affect sorting a bit (separating spaced names from older non-spaced names for a species):

Arctic Kittyfloss...

Arctic Tigermisu...

...

ArcticKittyfloss...

I'm just tossing this issue out there, and don't know if there are other pros or cons to fixing searches for PV cards.

Approaches

PV icon

Requires upgrade to 1.14 to work Handled by {{PV icon}}.

Can be used in many places to add a link to a card, however it's not necessarily intuitive that it's clickable. A user would have to hover over it to see that it's a clickable link.

In-table, such as the General Store, transformation, or list of concept art articles:

Picture #	Picture type
1/139	Raisant

Inline, such as from species articles:

Feeding it a banana split changes its color to yellow.

Dynamic Page List (DPL)

Present a list in a collapsible table. There's some overhead to dynamically generate these lists, and it's not certain what, if any, impact there would be from popular articles. The advantage is that relevant cards, once categorized so DPL can look them up, can be shown at an article, so you could see (links to) all Kittyfloss cards at the Kittyfloss article, all trick stick cards at the trick stick article, all weather cards at the weather article, etc.

The example is a bit contrived, but shows that there could be lots of different relevant cards, making the list itself a bit unwieldy to "navigate."

Kittyfloss Piñata Vision cards

Image:ArcticKittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg Image:ArcticKittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Variant1-PV.jpg Image:ArcticKittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Variant2-PV.jpg Image:ArcticKittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Variant3-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Variant1-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Variant2-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Variant3-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Variant6-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Wildcard1-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Wildcard2-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Wildcard3-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Russia-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Black-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-House-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Egg-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-CutsceneAppear-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-CutsceneMate-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-ConceptArt-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-LifeSweet-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-LearnPrimaryTrick-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-LearnSecondaryTrick-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-PerformPrimaryTrick-PV.jpg Image:Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-PerformSecondaryTrick-PV.jpg

Note that subgarden species have their own cards, e.g., Mate Cutscene zz1snowrabbit, zz2sandant. Sours (and different Flutterscotch colors) also have their own cards, e.g., Appear Cutscene crowpest, blackbutterfly. Blackariant zz1lemmingpest. UnlockArt bluebutterfly.

Do we group all in one DPL, or have 2 or 3 separate DPLs on an article?

By hand

Simplify, by excluding cards already shown at article. Hides image names, organizes cards by type.

Special cases include the Flutterscotches, where each color may have their own type of card. By hand per color?

Other Kittyfloss Piñata Vision cards
Arctic Kittyfloss · Russia challenge
Variants:	Sky-blue-pink · Black · Arctic pink · Arctic blue · Arctic pink and blue
Tricks:	Learn primary · Learn secondary · Perform primary · Perform secondary
Cutscenes:	Appear · Romance dance
Other:	Egg · Life sweet · House · Unlock concept art

Hybrid

Have links to a few (e.g., 3) of the more popular cards on the species page, with a More... link to another page where visitors could see all the cards for that species. That page could be DPL, a category, or a navigation or topic article.

Black variant · Sky-blue-pink variant · Unlock concept art · More...

It lets (species) article visitors know about other cards, while minimizing overhead -- e.g., DPL query moved off the species page -- or cramming more content into the longish species articles. Species articles remain static once 3 popular cards are there, so n species articles don't have to be maintained by hand each time new cards are released.

Transclude (from PV NS?)

Since the results are "static," result sets could live in other articles, and be transcluded in topic articles:

Kittyfloss cards, Sour Kittyfloss cards, Arctic Kittyfloss cards

{{:Kittyfloss cards}} {{:Arctic Kittyfloss cards}}

Pros:

• Avoid DPL
• Avoid adding lots of new categories to support DPL or navigation
• Result sets get categorized as articles themselves, and become the basis for topical navigation.
• Save having to categorize hundreds of existing/new images.

Cons:

• Result sets can't be anything more than a result set.
• PV category tree becomes flattened.
• Only supports navigation by "set," but is equivalent to sub-category articles, however, there is no equivalent to "These are the articles in the category."
• Maintained by hand.

Variations on this - Turn the result sets into proper articles, then transclude the article as its own PV card tab. Downside is that the DL for the species article is even bigger -- more content, more images(?) -- and we're delivering even more content that the visitor may not need/be interested in.

Non-card-specific approaches

Section headings

Many items (e.g., junk props, test candy) are PV-exclusive, and can't be bought in the General Store.

We should lead those sections with some note to see the navigation article for more items. (Wording to be determined.)

Infobox headings

Possibly change Housing to Housing cards, and Romance dance to Romance dance cards?

Hover boxes could present details, such as PV card, availability level, cost, method to obtain, etc. This could keep PV images, Journal descriptions, and other-article details off an article itself, yet easily available without having to navigate elsewhere.

Previewing a (non-headertabs) /Chili popup link should show a popup similar to the image on the right (assuming you've enabled the navigation popups gadget in your preferences).

One possibility is to think how articles could be reorganized to support a popup gadget approach. Divs get stripped from previews, so most of our articles won't preview much/any content. In addition, even without divs, the headertab label gets shown, so those previews merely show "Classic" as the content. It might be possible to filter or rewrite the regular expressions, but it probably wouldn't be trivial since headertabs generates several divs of its own.

Types of cards, the (shorter navigation) articles they'd be browsed from, and their longer topic (or relevant) articles they'd also be accessible from.

The article names are a bit arbitrary at this point, and may change slightly from internal descriptions to more familiar terms.

Also, there are distinctions for some items that differ between card types and wiki categories, e.g., fruits, vegetables, produce, tinkered items. Need to check this, and determine how these cards should be grouped for navigation.

We're possibly missing more granular navigation for popular items. Black pinatas, although a sub-topic/sub-category of variants, may deserve their own topic article and navigation. Other ways to handle groups of items within a type include subheadings within (large) navigation articles. Props is a good example, and junk items a popular type of props.

Since many new cards are PV-exclusive, and their items can't be bought in-game, those items couldn't be shown/linked in shop tables, but would only be found on their navigation articles.

Finally, unsupported/test items deserve a clear warning on their navigation or image article topics. Is it necessary to navigate unsupported items? Test candy belongs with the candy cards, but should we have an Unsupported cards topic/category also? Use ImaTest's idea of -Unsupported in image name.

What about no-op cards (cards that ImaTest mentions that don't appear to do anything)? Examples are appear cutscenes for Dragonache, and evolved species; concept art cards for different Flutterscotch colors. BIGsheep says they're duds. Might be nice to add a category and/or template for these cards, so visitors can see from the image article, that a card doesn't work. Name suggestions?

Estimated number of cards

0088 non-sour species
0009 more Flutterscotch colors
0005 arctic versions - Bunnycomb · Hootyfruity · Juicygoose · Pretztail · Tigermisu
0005 desert versions - Arocknid · Buzzenge · Limeoceros · Raisant · Syrupent
0012 sour versions
0119 species

0303 normal variants - (88 non-sours + 10 arctic/desert) x 3 variant + 9 Flutterscotch colors
0119 black variants
1078 other variants - (88+10) x 11 other variants
1500

0196 tricks - (88 non-sours + 10 arctic/desert) x 2 tricks
0047 plants

Types of cards	Navigate from	Available from	Example for naming convention	Example for upload description
Weather cards (7+ cards)	Weather cards	Weather	ClearSky1day-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Weather - Clear sky (1 day)
Cutscene cards
Mate cutscene cards (105? cards)	Mate cutscene cards, Romance dance cards, Romance cutscene cards	species articles, Romance(?)	GreenFlutterscotch-TroubleInParadise-CutsceneRomance-PV.jpg	Romance dance cutscene for the Green Flutterscotch
Appear cutscene cards (119? cards)	Appear cutscene cards	species articles	Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-CutsceneAppear-PV.jpg	Appear cutscene for the Kittyfloss
ViewTagInJournal cards (119 cards)	Journal cards	species articles	ArcticTigermisu-TroubleInParadise-Journal-PV.jpg?	View Journal for the arctic Tigermisu?
UnlockArt cards (109+ cards)	Concept art cards	species articles, concept art	Badgesicle-TroubleInParadise-ConceptArt-PV.jpg	Unlock concept art for the Badgesicle
UnlockTag cards
ZZTrickStick cards (6+ cards)	Trick stick cards	trick stick	TrickStick-TroubleInParadise-Crowbar-PV.jpg	Crowbar trick stick
TimeWarp cards (2+ cards)	Timewarp cards	Day and night cycle	Time-TroubleInParadise-Dawn-PV.jpg	Time - Dawn
PlaceTag cards
Sweet cardsk (~104 cards)	Sweet cards sub-categories: Life sweet cards	Candy	AmberGolfSweet-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg TestScared-TroubleInParadise-Unsupported-PV.jpg	Amber golf sweet Test candy - scared. Unsupported. Do not sell, crate, or view in Journal.
Seed cards (47 cards)	Seed cards	plants articles	AppleSeed-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Apple seed (Apple seed?)
Prop cardsm (77+ cards)	Prop cards sub-categories: Junk cards (10 cards)	General Store	OrientalGateway-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Oriental gateway
Produce cardsn (49 cards)	Produce cards	Bart, General Store, mine. Few species articles?	Milk-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Milk
BifTree cardso (14 cards)	Plant cards (47 cards)	plants articles	GooseberryBush-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Gooseberry bush
BifPlant cardsp (33 cards)	Plant cards (see above)	plants articles	PoisonIvy-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Poison ivy
ZZToy cards (23 cards)	Toy cards	General Store	IntrepidVoyager-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Intrepid Voyager
Paving cards (29 cards)	Paving cards	General Store	DiscoBlue-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Disco blue paving
Home cardss (~100 cards)	Home cards, House(?) cards,Housing(?) cards. Includes special buildings.	Willy Builder	Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-House-PV.jpg HoneyHive-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Kittyfloss house Honey hive
Fruit cardst (18 cards)	Fruit cards	plants articles	Apple-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Apple
Egg cards (88 cards)	Egg cards	species articles	Sherbat-TroubleInParadise-Egg-PV.jpg	Sherbat egg
Vegetable cards (9 cards)	Vegetable cards	plants articles	Carrot-TroubleInParadise-PV.jpg	Carrot
Trick cards
Perform trick cards (196 cards)	Perform trick cards	species articles	Raisant-TroubleInParadise-PerformTrick2-PV.jpg	Raisant perform trick 2
Learn trick cards (196 cards)	Learn trick cards	species articles	Pretztail-TroubleInParadise-LearnTrick1-PV.jpg	Pretztail learn trick 1
Variant cards
GoodVariants cards (1381 cards)	Variant cards (303 cards) - normal variants from food sub-categories: Other variant cards (1078 cards) - other variants besides black	species articles	Kittyfloss-TroubleInParadise-Variant1-PV.jpg Jameleon-TroubleInParadise-BlueGreen-PV.jpg	Kittyfloss blue variant Jameleon blue-green variant
Blackariants cards (119 cards)	sub-categories: Black variant cards	species articles	ArcticBunnycomb-TroubleInParadise-Black-PV.jpg SourLemmoning-TroubleInParadise-Black-PV.jpg	Arctic Bunnycomb black variant named Leo Sour Lemmoning black variant named Luke
Ruffian cards (1+ cards)	Ruffian cards	Ruffian	???	???
Pest cards	Sour cards	species articles	???	???

^kAny candy (e.g., happy, joy, romance, golf), including life sweets and unsupported test sweets.
^mDecorative items. (Mostly not interactive?) Not toys (e.g., trains) or paving.
ⁿProduce from a pinata (e.g., milk), from transformation, from the mine, or from the General Store (i.e., bone, red bone). Not fruit.
^oTrees and bushes for certain. Regroup as plant cards.
^pFlowers and weeds for certain, and probably vegetable plants also. Definitely not bushes or trees. Regroup as plant cards.
^sPinata homes, and special buildings (e.g., honey hive, mine).
^tProduce (e.g., blue gem, coconut) from bushes or trees.

Orphan cards

Cards that might not fit into a proposed category. All cards should be categorized.

• Terrain (5 cards)
• Themes - (species)
• Holidays - (species)

VivaPinata.com (searchable) organization

• Species
• Species - variant
• Species - wildcard
• Species - variant wildcard
• Helpers
• Homes
• Eggs
• Etc - Improvements (fences, gates, other props, toys, paving, etc.)
• Etc - Greenery (Fruit, produce, vegetables, tinkered items, plants, seeds, etc.)
• Etc - Candy (Life sweets, other sweets -- joy, golf, romance, etc.)

Category names are still tentative. Final names will be found on Types of cards tab.

Usual categorization applies. E.g., a black variant card would be in black variants, but not (also) in variants.

Examples of pages with embedded categorytrees are Cluckles cards and Weather cards, as well as the category-only tree shown in the next section.

Categories, articles, and/or images can also be navigated from Special:CategoryTree. Parameters to that special page can also be passed in an external link, e.g., all Pinata Vision cards.

Actual CategoryTree

Example 1 - Less depth

Omit categories that only contain sub-categories (i.e., Cutscene cards, Trick cards). Fruits and Vegetables at same depth as Produce.

• Pinata Vision cards (24 C, 1 P)
  • Appear cutscene cards (1 P, 119 F)
  • Concept art cards (1 P, 109 F)
  • Egg cards (1 P, 88 F)
  • Fruit cards (1 P, 18 F)
  • Home cards (1 P, 100 F)
  • Learn trick cards (1 P, 196 F)
  • Paving cards (1 P, 29 F)
  • Perform trick cards (1 P, 196 F)
  • Plant cards (1 P, 47 F)
  • Produce cards (1 P, 49 F)
  • Prop cards (1 C, 1 P, 77 F)
    • Junk cards (1 P, 10 F)
  • Romance dance cards (1 P, 105 F)
  • Ruffian cards (1 P, 1 F)
  • Seed cards (1 P, 47 F)
  • Sour cards (1 P, 19 F)
  • Species cards (88C, 1 P)
    • Arocknid cards (1 P, ? F)
    • Badgesicle cards (1 P, ? F)
    • ...
  • Sweet cards (1 P, 104 F)
  • Time warp cards (1 P, 2 F)
  • Toy cards (1 P, 23 F)
  • Trick stick cards (1 P, 6 F)
  • Unsupported cards (1P, ? F)
  • Variant cards (2 C, 1 P, 303 F)
    • Black variant cards (1 P, 119 F)
    • Other variant cards (1 P, 1078 F)
  • Vegetable cards (1 P, 9 F)
  • Weather cards (1 P, 7 F)

Example 2 - More depth

Group common categories under a parent category (i.e., Cutscene cards, Trick cards). Fruits and Vegetables are types of Produce.

• Pinata Vision cards (20 C, 1 P)
  • Concept art cards (1 P, 109 F)
  • Cutscene cards (2 C, 1 P)
    • Appear cutscene cards (1 P, 119 F)
    • Romance dance cards (1 P, 105 F)
  • Egg cards (1 P, 88 F)
  • Home cards (1 P, 100 F)
  • Paving cards (1 P, 29 F)
  • Plant cards (1 P, 47 F)
  • Produce cards (2 C, 1 P, 49 F)
    • Fruit cards (1 P, 18 F)
    • Vegetable cards (1 P, 9 F)
  • Prop cards (1 C, 1 P, 77 F)
    • Junk cards (1 P, 10 F)
  • Ruffian cards (1 P, 1 F)
  • Seed cards (1 P, 47 F)
  • Sour cards (1 P, 19 F)
  • Species cards (88C, 1 P)
    • Arocknid cards (1 P, ? F)
    • Badgesicle cards (1 P, ? F)
    • ...
  • Sweet cards (1 P, 104 F)
  • Time warp cards (1 P, 2 F)
  • Toy cards (1 P, 23 F)
  • Trick cards (2 C, 1 P)
    • Learn trick cards (1 P, 196 F)
    • Perform trick cards (1 P, 196 F)
  • Trick stick cards (1 P, 6 F)
  • Unsupported cards (1P, ? F)
  • Variant cards (2 C, 1 P, 303 F)
    • Black variant cards (1 P, 119 F)
    • Other variant cards (1 P, 1078 F)
  • Weather cards (1 P, 7 F)